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Suggestion for Smooth Transition to Post-Carbon Green India: Input for the Toolkit for Carbon-Neutral Lifestyle
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Distinguished members,
 
The toolkit with 30 messages for promotion of low carbon lifestyle is an interesting initiative for using energy efficiently and reducing the consumption of the energy through measures such as carpooling, use of public transport system etc. However, there is a need to take a hardheaded look as this toolkit appears to have been inspired with a vision where some sort of replacement is envisaged for the end of petro-modern age when we would have exhausted all the fossil fuel based energy supported systems. Such as scenario of full-scale replacement is not guaranteed for all the time to come. For example, if we were to imagine the energy basket that may be available for children of 40th century, we will find that all the mines based resources would assuredly been extracted by then and only if at posterity will have some recyclable items using wood or coke for heating the production process for recyclable products. Some would say as this is often said that we can not think that far or who is interested in thinking about the scenarios 2000 years from now.Nonetheless, it is important to envisage post-carbon scenarios for humanity. 
What then are the lessons for us in here and now for the toolkit recognizing the observations of Rajan Gandhi is also not envisaging such a scenario?
 
A hardheaded ecological audit of consumption, production,transport, habitats patterns assuming the absence of the fossil fuels is called for the necessary integration in the toolkit as mere managerial response will not help the cause of ecologically safe and socially inclusive future of the Children of India. Some suggestions for the low carbon toolkit that could be considered are the following considering the fact that the cause of low-carbon lifestyle is being consistently compromised through continued marketing of fossil fuel intensive consumption patterns, urban habitats designs, and development paradigm and promotion of competitive growth across the states seeking the markers of fossil fuel intensive lifestyles, devaluation of the ecologically sustainable agriculture consumption patterns:
  1. Suggesting marketing of ecologically safe consumption ,production, leisure use patterns and  its appreciation needs to be integrated in the toolkit considering the need to reduce emissions generated through energy intensive leisure 
  2. Discouraging ecologically hostile consumption and production patterns
  3. Promotion of neighborhood shopping and markets in order to reduce the use of cars for buying provisions and other needs, there is no reference to this in the toolkit as of now.
  4. Promotion of carbon-neutral schools and education eliminating the use of buses for transporting children from one part of the city to another
  5. Discouraging ecologically hostile trade and education as a matter of public policy
  6. Ecologically sustainable agriculture through suggesting policies for reduced consumption of energy in the entire production systems for agriculture. Suggesting exploration of ways for agriculture in the post carbon age.
  7. Promotion of ecologically sustainable transport Systems envisioning the post carbon energy scenarios.
  8. Measures for transformation of leisure use patterns especially in the urban areas reducing the use of energy intensive travel ,venues and engagements. Questioning as to whether we all the energy intensive leisure engagements are necessary.
  9. Promotion and protection of ecologically sustainable habitats envisioning the post-carbon urban habitats
  10. Ecologically safe interest free and debt free finance system: It is important to seek elimination of private bank generated money from thin air accelerating expansion of ecologically hostile habitats without realizing the limits to sustainability of the exhaustible and non-renewable fossil fuel based energy and transport system and others.
  11. Ecologically safe models of success: It is important to seek the ecologically safe models of success nationally and personally. If nations do not have an ecologically safe vision of success, this would not be inimical to the interest for future generations. www.sustainwellbeing.net has proposal for calculation of ecological costs and then understand the GDP growths rates are not that we are presented and all the visions in this regard, if they have not factored the exhaustion of non-renewable energy and the impact of iniquitous growth are essentially anti-future and anti-children.

I hope the above could be considered for needful integration in the toolkit with implications for the personal , national , global level actions and policy advocacy.

With warmest regards

Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
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Dear Members, 

I think this is a sterling effort - congrats! 

 I have some suggestions on the 30 messages and these are given below:

Switch to CFLs

I think you should mention here that the TL 8 type tube-light is probably as energy efficient as the CFL and possibly even less polluting.  I recollect that this was distinctly mentioned by Dr Ramachandran of Philips India Ltd at the 2nd India Roundtable on SCP (Sustainable Consumption and Production) in December 2008.  Philips may be contacted again for clarification.

Come out and play

I think the comparison should be between playing and watching TV/being on the computer.  A nice example would be playing a football match (zero carbon emission) versus watching it on TV!

Install a solar water heater

Let’s be very careful here.  First, solar water heaters are useless unless one has a terrace with plenty of sunlight.  If you are surrounded by trees or buildings which cast a shadow, a solar heater won’t help.

Secondly, the height gap between the solar water heater and the outlet (the tap or shower in the bathroom) has to be minimal, otherwise the amount of cold water you drain off before the water turns hot is literally HUGE.  In a water-scarce cold area, this is a recipe for disaster.

Thirdly, what do you do when it is bitterly cold and there is no sun, as in January in Delhi?  An electrical back-up is therefore essential.

Fourthly, you cannot have a hot bath at night using a solar heater if you or another family member wants a hot bath the next morning.

So instead of prescribing solar hot water systems, the booklet should suggest that they contact an expert and consider installing a solar geyser.

Reduce the temperature setting on the geyser

The problem is that you might end up using more total water if you reduce the geyser temperature.  I don’t know of any studies of comfort levels at different bathing temperatures.

Request for e-statements

I feel Banks, telephones and other service providers must be persuaded to offer a rebate for e-bills and not just ask the consumer to take the responsibility.  A paper bill or statement costs Rs.15-20 just for courier charges, plus paper and printing costs.  Consumers would be happy to settle for e-bills/statements (some of which they may have to print out themselves) if they were offered a rebate.  Again, an initiative targeting producers is necessary.

Take a bus to school

A suggestion – why not mandate that city Schools provide a school bus system for which parents are charged irrespective of whether or not their children use the bus.  That way, even rich parents will think twice about sending their kids to school in private cars.

Switch off ignition at traffic red lights

According to PCRA (Petroleum Conservation Research Association) who spoke at the 3rd India Roundtable on SCP, the optimum time for switching off ignition is 15 seconds.  Less than that and you end up using more fuel in starting up again.

Use fuel efficient cooking methods

Yes, but how to do so is not explained.

Some Other Suggestions:

1.       Go on vacation on a train if possible – a great way for the family to bond

2.       Look out for Green-rated hotels (coming soon) for your holidays

3.       Buy local and seasonal food except on rare occasions

4.       Carry a cloth shopping bag – refuse plastic bags

5.       Target the conspicuous consumption habits of the super-rich (and wannabes!) such as SUVs, electrical clothes driers, dish-washers

6.       Use compost/vermi-compost as fertilizer for gardens rather than chemical fertilizers

Cheers

Rajan R Gandhi

SAG

New Delhi

Original Query;

From: "P.S. Sodhi & Hem Pande" <>

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:05:35 +0530

Subject: [se-clmt] QUERY: Encouraging low carbon lifestyles - Experience, Advice. Reply by 17 December 2010

To: "

Moderator’s note:Dear Members, Individual efforts can go a long way in addressing climate change as more and more people adopt low carbon lifestyles there will be reduction in Green House Gas emissions. We seek your inputs on how we can encourage greater participation of the masses in adopting low carbon lifestyles. We are looking forward to a rich discussion on this important issue of great significance in order to sustain the human race.

Dear Members,

As many of you are aware, UNDP-GEF Small Grants Program (SGP), India along with Ministry of Environment & Forest (MOEF) and Centre for Environment Education (CEE) developed and published the Low Carbon Lifestyles, A Trainer’s Toolkit. The importance and significance of actions at all levels to tackle this problem cannot be overemphasized but requires a dedicated approach for future generations.

The toolkit is a set of materials, presented in an easy to understand language based on up-to-date science and policy inputs from experts in this field. It aims to arm the trainer, community at large and youth & students above all with facts and figures on how ‘small changes’ in our actions on a sustained basis can have a profound impact on the environment by reducing green house gas emissions. The objective of this toolkit is primarily to create an impact on all stakeholders, more prominently the youth, who could inculcate these habits in their daily lives. The need for the public at large to imbibe these practices would help preserve and conserve natural resources as low carbon lifestyles not only save money but also encourage savings of precious natural resources and money.

We must add that the first step to achievement is to work together, learn and exchange information, knowledge and practices. We will welcome more ideas and suggestions to be incorporated in the second edition of the toolkit. We need to understand that we are all contributing towards climate change and therefore we all need to be responsible in mitigating it, lest WE ALL WILL BE victims of climate change!!! Time has now come to create Awareness, Analyze and Act (the AAA approach)!!

We urge members to go through the 30 simple to do messages mentioned in the toolkit, which is available at ftp://ftp.solutionexchange.net.in/public/clmt/resource/res02111001.pdf [PDF; Size: 1.85 MB] and give us views and suggestions on the following:

< >What is the best possible strategy to maximize the use and outreach to stakeholders of the tool kit? How an ‘individual stakeholder’ can contribute to maximizing the outreach and benefits from the toolkit?

Kindly also share the manner in which you are using the publication, sharing the knowledge so that we could influence and benefit a larger audience.   

We strongly believe that by adopting Low Carbon Lifestyles, we would have done our bit to save Mother Earth. Your response will provide inputs for the next phase of our project on Low Carbon Lifestyles. The contribution of members would be suitably acknowledged.

Looking forward to your comments and guidance!

Best Regards,

P. S. Sodhi,

GEF UNDP, SGP,

CEE, New Delhi

and

Hem Pande,

Ministry of Environment & Forests, Government of India 

New Delhi

 

 


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Karim Shah Aga Khan, The Imam of our Time: Arguments by Zina Khan

This is a combination of letters of US based lawyer Zina Khan written explaining the divine institution of leadership/ Imamat for humanity and the existence of Karim Shah Aga Khan Hussaini as the Imam of our time. I am presenting this for general readers in order to assist in developing an understanding around the issue. The arguments are clear, precise and focussed without leaving any doubt.

-Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam

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 Several verses in the Quran speak about the Light of God and Rope of Imamat which is a continuous chain (Hablillah) since Hazrat Adam, through all the Prophets including, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and after him through the hereditary Imams..even if there are only two people left on this earth, the Imam must be present as Imamat is a perpetual phenomena.

"Seest thou not how Allah coineth a similitude a goodly saying as a goodly tree, its root set firm, its branches stretching into Heaven, Giving its fruits at every season, by permission of its Lord, Allah coineth the similitude for mankind in order that they may reflect" Quran 14:24, 25

Both Intellectual evidence and traditional authority alike attest to the fact that on the Day of Judgment, each person will behold the Reward for his or her good or bad actions !

"And whoso doeth good an atom's weight, will see it then..." (Sura al Zilzal - verse 7)

"And that his effort will be seen...and afterward he will be repaid for it with fullest payment.." (Sura al Najm - verse 40- 41).

It is thus clear that the wicked deeds of man do not obliterate his good deeds but nevertheless it must be understood that those who do indulge in certain vices or sins will experience "nullifications" and so if in the process their own good deeds get wiped off then they will be subjected to punishment !

Allah's promise of Reward or threat of Punishment is an Intellectual principle and the "breaking of a promise" (Bayah) is also self evidently a sin !!!!!

Those who are unaware of the reforming influence of Shifa or Tawba are oblivious of the fact that many people be they Muslims, Jews, Christians or Hindus, are in different ways,besmirched with some sins or the other.

Rarely one may find anyonewho is without sins !

Thus if the doors for Tawba, Shifa, Tawassul and/or Intercession wasn't open then those who were ready to renounce their life of sins and to resolve henceforth not to repeat them, would end up "enduring only punishment" and then conversely they would then sink into the pit of despair and follow the downward path of their own 'concupiscent" desires, rather than getting back on track and pursuing the "upward" path towards fervent hope !

 "..The Lord had prescribed for Himself MERCY that whoso of you doeth EVIL through IGNORANCE and REPENTETH afterward thereof and DOETH RIGHT truly, HE is FORGIVING, MERCIFUL..." (Sura al An'am - verse 54)

The conscience of each person bears testimony to his or her own ability to decide whether to perform or to abstain from a given action.

Throughout the human society be it religiously governed or otherwise, you will find that differing persons are subject to praise or blame but then this ought to betaken as a sign that the attribution of free will to such individuals is a Universally encountered fact.

If this free will was non existent then the dictates of religion would be vain and futile !

If each individual was helpless in life and compelled to merely continue to follow the course of life that has been established for them previously and unable to deviate, then these religious commands and prohibition; threats and promises; rewards and punishments would all be utterly meaningless !

"Verily WE have shown him the way, whether he be grateful or disbelieving.." (Sura al Insan verse 3)

Many seem to somehow believe that their sinfulness is a product of an act of pre destination....the fact is that they did have the opportunity to choose the path other than that of sin because man determines his own destiny by means of his own decisions and man has the capacity to be either pious and grateful or impious and wicked !

Praise belongs to Allah. We ask Him for help, and we believe in Him,and in Him we trust.

We seek refuge to Him from the evil of our souls and the sins of our deeds.

Verily there is no guide for the one whom Allah leaves in stray, and there is none who leads astray the one whom Allah has guided.

The Imam's presence on this earth is vital all the time as he COMPLETES the circle, and  he is the "QURAN" (Natiq) that is authentic and complete and the "silent" (SAMIT)  is confined and vested in the Imam e Zamana....that is why the Ahl al Bayt have said...'follow  us, WE are the speaking Quran.."...

After muhammad's passing, a group of visitors went to his widow, Bibi Aisha.  They asked her, "What was the Prophet, God's Messenger, like?  "Have you read the Quran?" She replied.  He was the livingQuran !!!!

The light of wisdom (the Quran) in the heart of the Holy Prophet is as protected as the lamp in the glass.

Verses 77 to 79 of al Waqi-ah clearly state that the Quran is a protected book; and no one can touch it save the thoroughly purified, the Ahl ul Bayt, according to the verse 33 of Ahzab.

Therefore the true interpretation of "light upon light" is the Holy Prophet and his Ahl ul Bayt.

For "Allah guides whom He wills to His light" see the commentary of al Baqarah: 256 and 257-he who believes in Allah, indeed, has taken hold of the firmest handhold (or rope) which will not break off.

 Allah brings them out of the darkness into light-It is obvious that those who are guided unto His light are the thoroughly purified ones.

 Sent:Fri, December 17, 2010 2:44:51 PM
Subject: The system collapses if either of these TWO Precious Things is upset....

The Messenger also attained Merâj (ascension) at night and the Momeenin attains union with the Beloved (through luminous prayer).If you are a true lover (of Soul and Light of GOD ),then do not miss the night's luminous prayer.....

Ta'wil of word 'Abad' (Timelessness, haziratu'l-qudus):

"The sacred Sanctuary, i.e. the greatest treasure of secrets is in the light of the forehead of the Manifest Imam, where God has gathered together all things related to intellect, knowledge, recognition and spirituality.

The same sacred light also rises in the forehead of the perfect arif (a knowledgeable person) for the sake of recognition. ...

Those who die without such recognition dies the death of an infidel ! (There is a ahadith to this effect)..

Thus, azal (pre-eternity), abad (post-eternity) and other realities are gathered together and centered in the enclosure of the light of the forehead." [Source: Tawil 13: A Thousand Wisdoms]

The Tawil of Habl Allah (Rope of Allah) is the Imam of the time and the mechanism for enlightenment of the personal world :

"God has sent the rope of His holy light from the higher world to the inhabitants of the lower world for the purpose that they may all together hold it fast so that they may be lifted to the higher world (Holy Qur'an 3:103).

Externally the luminous rope of Allah is the holy personality of the Imam of the time and internally it is his ever-reaching light.

Thus the Imam within you is the rope of Allah in the position of ism-i zikr, to which you have to hold fast in such a way that all faculties of the heart and the mind are turned towards and centered upon it." (Source: Tawil number 264, A Thousand Wisdoms: An Encyclopaedia of Tawil, pp. 142-143)

Both are inseparable...The TWO weighty and PRECIOUS Things as one reflects the other and have been tied by a long Rope that will Never break however hard people try as they are NOT powerful than Allah (swt).......Allah is too strong for the "mosquitos" !!!

 The system collapses if either of these TWO Precious Things is upset. ...so both are Intact and well preserved !!!!!

Sent:Fri, December 17, 2010 1:28:20 PM
Subject: ZAKIR NAIK IS DECLARED KAFIR

The status of night is great (because it contains a luminous hour).

The entire creation attains rest during the night....but
Pirs, Prophets, Friends (Valis) and Saints,attained a lofty status through luminous prayers when others were sleeping.....  

Wake up !!! and go for Zikr and Tawba during this "luminous hour" and then bark at the world !!! Chances are you will not as so much humbleness will engulf your hearts ! ...do SHIFA !!! Give charity ! and Return your Amanat to God and HIS noble prophet and then see if you can understand what is blasphemy in the true sense of the word ?

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Divine Leadership for Humanity through the Progeny of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as part of Inter-faith Common
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The philosophy is simple !The "Das Avtar" as per Hindu scriptures was born in Arabia ! and he has been referred to as the "mahadev arab" !

Jesus has also said this over and over that Muhamad will be the "elect of God" and God shall be by him, manifested to the World and he will execute vengeance against idol worshippers and munafiqun - then Jesus said that through him "OUR God" will be glorified and Jesus has referred to Muhamad as the Messiah or Saviour ...

Let us take a deeper look at the reality of prayer. Today, for some odd
reason, many muslims have the idea that our relationship and
connection with Allah (swt) is direct, individual and unmediated.

If all human beings were truly conscious of their direct and unmediated connection to Allah, then Allah would have revealed His Revelations to the heart of every person and would not have appointed specific human beings
as His Prophets.

Nevertheless, Allah did appoint single individuals as his
Prophets and representatives by which He communicated to mankind at large.

Do Prophets and Imams have Luminous Hands?

"God says: (O Messenger) and make mention of our servants, Ibrahim, Ishaq, and Yaqub, men of hands and eyes" (38:45).

What is ta'wil of the White Hand of Hazrat Musa?

"The tawil of the white hand is to hold the white light in the hand and to touch the Hidden Book.

Here the Noble Qur'an alludes to the fact that the spiritual and inner miracles are related only to beholders (7:108; 26:33). That is, they can be seen only with the inner eye." [Source: Coolness of the Eye, p. 82]

That is why Allah says..."seek the means (Al-Wasila) !

The above is a principle which is then reflected in Sh'ia practices. They
invoke the help and intercession of their Imams when they seek the
help and bounties of Allah.

In fact, the Holy Quran encourages believers
to seek the Means of Approach (al-wasilah) unto Allah:

"O ye who have faith! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach
(al-wasila) unto Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that ye
may prosper." - Holy Quran 5:35

The key word here is "Wasilah" which means "medium" or "means of approach".

The Wasilah of Allah is the Prophet in his age and the Imam in his time.

This concept of Wasilah is reflected in several prayers
and verses.

It may be asked, why do the Prophets and Imams have this prerogative and
not each individual?

The reason has to do with the basic concept of Islam or "submission to
God's will".

While we may call ourselves "Muslims", a "muslim" in the true
meaning of the word is one whose soul is totally and perfectly submitted
to the Will of Allah at all times.

Average, fallible human beings cannot claim
to be this as we commit sins all the time and our minds constantly waiver
from the remembrance of Allah every moment.

Only purifiied souls such as Prophet and the Imams of his Ahl al-Bayt (whom God has purified by Quran 33:33) are "muslim" in the true sense; they are perfectly submitted to God's Will and only they can truly possess a direct,unmediated relationship with Allah by virtue of the divine closeness
( walayah) of their souls with Allah.

We can only hope to one day attain
this spiritual state of pure submission, pure islam in the spiritual sense but this potentiality to actualization needs an Instructor from the family of the Prophet's pure progeny...it is outside the ability of a Mullah or Mufti !

The Shii Muslims affirm that the Prophet beqeathed and entrusted his
religious and spiritual authority to His progeny (itrat) and family (ahl
al-bayt) through Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib and his descendants - the Imams.


Now, if it is established that in Allah's communication to man, He appoints
His Prophets as mediators, what other spiritual functions does the Prophet
perform in this respect? We only need to look to the Holy Quran to find
the answer:

We have sent among you a Messenger from you (minkum) who recites to you
Our Signs and purifies you and teaches you the Book (al-Kitab) and the Wisdom
( al-Hikmat) and teaches you that which you did not know. - Holy Quran 2:151

And when it is said to them, "Come, the Apostle of Allah will pray for
your forgiveness" , they turn aside their heads, and you will see them turning
away their faces in arrogance.- Holy Quran 63:5

Of their wealth, take alms, that so you [Muhammad] might purify and
sanctify them; and send blessings (salloo) on them. Verily your prayers
(salat) are a source of peace for them: And God is One Who heareth and
knoweth. - Holy Quran 9:103

We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of
Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to their souls, come unto
thee [Muhammad] and asked God's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked
forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning,
Most Merciful.- Holy Quran 4:64

It is best to study, analyze and reflect on the above verses carefully and
think about their implicatons.

It is clear that Prophet Muhammad's presence and prayers are essential in
Islam when the believers wish to seek the Love, Blessings, Mercy and
Forgiveness of Allah.

We can see that even when it comes to forgiveness, the believers were
instructed (4:64) to go into the presence of the Prophet to seek forgiveness and the Prophet was to seek forgiveness on their behalf - and only then would they have received Allah's forgiveness.

We can also observe that Allah ordered the Prophet to send blessings
(9:103) and pray on behalf of the believers (9:103 and 63:5).

Clearly, prophet Muhammad serves as the intercessor and mediator
between Allah and the believers - both in conveying Allah's Message to
mankind and in conveying the believers pleas and prayers to Allah.

The question is, what happens after the death of the Prophet? Is there no
one to carry out and continue these spiritual functions after the prophet?
Are the believers left without a channel or means to the Love, Mercy,
Blessings and Forgiveness of Allah? Are we under chastisment ?

Wasim Khan on November 28, 2010 on the Subject: 'Islam is a synthesis of Judaism & Christianity' (RE: Saim Bakar Vs Biblical Islam wrote the following:
I have said that from pulpit in every mosque, synagogue and church and nobody ever challenged.

Unitarian* theology was still very strong, despite trinity at Nice in Pax-Arabica region and Egypt (southern and distant regions of Byzantine empire )…

Muhammad was very well travelled and was a great scholar and reformer of these two very disputations religions which had fallen into hands of exploitative priesthood because of the organization Christianity as religious empire.

Muhammed freed Arabic speaking Jews and Christians as well as pagans from their well-organized and blood-sucking priestly classes… and the tremendous appeal of the notion that you could have a direct access to God without a know-all intermediary caught on like a wild-fire… now of course it sounds like what’s the big deal… but it was a big deal then when in that Holy Roman empire even a king could not marry some one without the permission of the pope and you could literally buy a ticket to heaven by paying in a few gold or silver coins!

Rest had to burn in hell or fear of it until they breathed their last… pretty oppressive eh?

This unsatisfactory system of belief continued to be perpetuated on non-Muslims even after success of Islam but later at least in Europe under the influence of Muslim theologians like Ibne Sina,Ibne Arabi, Ibne Tufayl and Ali Rushd (Averroes)**, things began to change slowly in Christian theology and lead to many revision and reformation movements the most famous of which by Martin Luther cause the big split in Western Christendom called Protestanism…

Thus, Muhammad’s Unitarian theology came full circle as it lead to full reform of Christianity 1200 years after Nicean Creed…

Now you can sing: “Sing Mohammed, Mohammed Ali… !”

Following are considered to have believed in Unitarian Theology according to Wiki:

Notable Unitarians include Ralph Waldo Emerson and Theodore Parker in theology and ministry, Joseph Priestley and Linus Pauling in science, Susan B. Anthony, John Locke in civil government, and Florence Nightingale in humanitarianism and social justice, Charles Dickens and Samuel Taylor Coleridge in literature, Frank Lloyd Wright in arts, Josiah Wedgwood in industry and Charles William Eliot in education. Five presidents of the United States were Unitarians: John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, and William Howard Taft. Other Unitarians include Sir Tim Berners-Lee, Lancelot Ware, founder of Mensa, Sir Adrian Boult, the conductor, and C. Killick Millard, founder of the Euthanasia Society.

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*As distinct from Unitarian Church a more enlightened denomination of one of 50 denominations of Protestantanism.
** Ali Rushd is considered: Father of Europe (for a reference check out: http://www.scribd.com/doc/16406163/Impact-of-Islamic-Civilization-on-The-Modern-World- )

Wasim Khan, MD, MPH

From: Zina Khan November 28, 2010 on the Subject: Saim Bakar Vs Biblical Islam

"..Name the Prophet whose name is mentioned and discussed most in the Quran?..."

Wasim has provided the correct answer to the above !!! It was Moses !!!!

Now please give answers to the following basic questions

What were those worships and prayers that were ordered by Allah to the community of Bani Israeel and which were continued by the Muslim Ummah also?

In which Holy Book of Non-Muslims the Quran mentioned repeatedly?

Who was the only lady whose personal name is found in the Quran?

How many Surah (Chapter) in the Quran have the titles named after different Prophets?

Who was the Prophet mentioned in the Quran whose three generations were prophets?

"..The holy Qur'aan renews Islam of prophet who were sent for the humanity earlier and therefore , the call for abidance to the commands of Allah can be seen as part of inter-religious and inter-text common. I argue for its urgent adoption. ...Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,Ph.D

How can one describe what Mukhtar says in just one word ? anyone ?

Also making "rallying cries" for others to follow the Quran in the right context or spirit is good....but the majority do not have much clue about the "commands" (Amr) issued or they conveniently follow their own conjectures and half truths !....

I have divided the questions in segments so that I can take you in steps and tie it up ...but you all need to know the answers when asked - making lame excuses is lamentable...it should be on the tip of your tongues...especially those who vehemently claim they follow Quran and the Sunnah.....they should be able to have answers ...so why are the majority faltering?

I can respond to Bakar ....what about you folks? respond to him methodically and step by step and engage him peacefully...and if you can't then be honest enough and say so that you are all surfing on "limitations" !

There is ignorance on both sides of the fissure ! You need to know your own religion before you can embark on the task of explaining Islam...based on the Quran of Allah (swt) as revealed to Muhamad (saw)....

From: Zina Khan on November 28, 2010 11:39:19 AM on the Subject: Saim Bakar Vs Biblical Islam
Yes! 4 times and once as Ahmad !

So which Prophet's name appears the most ? Moses ! followed by Jesus !

Thank you ! others are still ignorant about this - at least this answers part of the issues raised...only item ii has now been answered and correctly by Wasim....what about the remaining issues? should they not also be answered?

I am sure you have opened the link and read all that Bakar says !


Wasim Khan on November 28, 2010 on the Subject: RE: Saim Bakar Vs Biblical Islam
So what’s the point of that?

Muhammad’s name occurs 3 or 4 times. Jesus 27 times and Moses over 80 times.

You can verify by searching any online version of Quran…


Wasim Khan, MD, MPH

From: Zina Khan [mailto:zina.khan@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:54 AM
Subject: Saim Bakar Vs Biblical Islam

Mr Alam et al....I have just received this email....kindly review and see if you can respond....
saim bakar on November 27, 2010 9:10:54 PM on Subject: Saim Bakar Vs Biblical Islam


Please Visit Saim Bakar vs Biblical Islam Blog at http://biblical-islam.blogspot.com/.


For your interest :

i. No such thing as heaven and hell in the Quran
ii. No such name as Muhammad in the Quran
iii. Sahih Bukhari not even written by Bukhari
iv. The Prophet never followed the Bible

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Saim Bakar the Ultra Fundamentalist
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November 29, 2010 | 11:36 AM Comments  0 comments

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Letter of Craig Hubey Denouncing the System Theorist and Support Islamic Concern with Improving Living Conditions on Earth

From: Craig Hubley
To: James N Rose
Cc: tdhgipd@del6.vsnl.net.in; craig@hubley.com; WesBurt@aol.com; dhoku@sympatico.ca; GeorgeCSDS@aol.com; pradeepsyird@yahoo.com; Jennifer Corriero ; Michelle Bird (E-mail) ; mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com
Sent: Sat, 9 December, 2000 5:10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MFDiscuss] Threads of the Future


On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, James N Rose wrote:
> Just so you'll know, Dennis Oku and I are methodically working on a
> similar effort - on a parallel course - towards achieving the same ends
> re the arena of governance, participation, choices, and early
> awareness. Our concern is making 'merit' a more valued commodity than
> 'resource control'. :-) Or at least as important as, (!) :-)
>...
> James N Rose

It is clear to me that there are two "parties" here, and that Muhammad and myself (Craig Hubley) are one of them, and James and Dennis are in another. We cannot cooperate - the very terms of reference differ too radically to be reconciled. We literally see mirror images of the same problem - the way a right hand glove is an inverted/chiral version of the left. We can find some abstract theoretical boundary statement wherein the two clasp together, but that is the same as saying that two opposite sides (God and Satan, Republican and Democrat, male and female) can always reach accomodation.

We gain nothing from this if our individual footings are insecure.

How can we cooperate to compete? Our long term visions cannot possibly converge, as "merit" is defined according to some human measurement system, and Muhammad and I would never describe what we seek to reward by that word... there will be war between these two factions at some point, and it will be long bloody and brutal.

I have not chosen my side but realized that Muhammad is objectively correct, provably correct with reference to bodies not to ideas, and that this must be perspective of God if such being exists, and must be respected as such even if such does not exist. There is no way to compromise this with the idea that "merit" is to be rewarded...
there is no salvation through works, shall we say, since works are assessed by man.

I recognized this early and advised against cooperation. James is holding out for it still. What he does not see is that he must be indoctrinicated in a doctrine to succeed. There is no abstraction that exists without grounding in emotional pasts and relationships, nor any symbol system that can exist to assess merit without some transhuman idea of morality. I first wrote about this 2 years ago:
http://hubley.com/quote/craig-hubley/on/transhuman-morality.txt and was suprised that it did not create a storm of recognition in the UNU... now I understand that the UN is driven by dignity and bureaucrats of dignity... the very Weberian predators on all life that must be wiped out entirely. There must be no dignity, only submission (or in Arabic: "Islam"!) to the truth about the body:
it dies. It limits cognition. It biases being. It is neither disposable nor indispensible to the true unit of human life, the family. It is only warped individual perspectives, focused on dignity as such, that lead to the planet-destroying imperialism.

I will let Muhammad comment further on whether he sees this the same way, but I will accept his criticism in the spirit of the ijtihad and as a brother. The way we choose has the same ending. However, it will leave us with "zero merit" in James Rose and Dennis Oku's world, by definition. We are simply not doing this for human beings.

Craig Hubley


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Managing Collapse of Ecologically Hostile Finance System through Welcoming the Post-Usury World
Related to country: United States


Following important links could be considered representative of the crisis that must be responded with sagacity and use of intellect, reasoning and all the best efforts that we can put up for preparing for the collapse of the ecologically hostile finance system welcoming according to the words of Abdussamad Clarke the dawn of post-usury world.

Who Owns America and Why?! by Len Hart http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/12/27/who-owns-america-and-why

The big banks appear to have taken over the government and the economy. What ever works for them is what's done, even if if destroys the country in the process. Following video could be viewed for an assesement. http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/761.html

Ex-Republican McKinney has asked President Barak Huseein Obama to stop bankrupting the nation “President Obama, Stop Bankrupting our Nation!” .This can be seen in this video by William Hughes http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Videos.php/2009/12/18/ex-rep-mckinney-president-obama-stop-ban

The link described the work of the cash committees on Capitol Hill 'The Cash Committee: How Wall Street Wins On The Hill' http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/29-8

Shamus Cooke reflects on the beginning of the political crisis after the economic crisis 'The Economic Crisis Ends; the Political Crisis Begins '.First Iceland, then Ireland, now Greece. Much of Europe is mired in inescapable debt and bankrupt nations, the result of crashing banks, bank bailouts, and soaring unemployment. The U.S. and U.K. watch from a distance, knowing their turn is next.'
Explaining this he says 'The European corporate-elite — like their American counterparts — lavished non-stop praise on the “bold yet necessary” decision to bail out the banks; the economy was supposedly saved from “impending collapse.” But every action has an equal but opposite reaction. Bailing out the banks saved the butts of dozens of European bankers, but now millions of workers are about to experience a thundering kick in the ass. '

This bail out has created a problem of debt in Europe "Unbeknownst to most Europeans, the public money that financed the bank bailouts created a massive public debt problem, to be solved by massively slashing public programs that benefit workers and the poor. This amounts to a blatant transfer of billions — maybe trillions of dollars — in public wealth, away from the majority of citizens toward a parasitic crust of bankers. " Shamus Cooke suggests that these “tough decisions” should act as warnings to the American working class, since the U.S. corporate-elite, too, has clear-cut plans for who is to pay for their colossal spending spree on bank giveaways and foreign wars (hint: it’s not them). " The question arise as to what the working class should do to prevent the corporate elite from transferring the costs back to them or liberate both them and the government. Eliminating the usury is the solution.

Government has become heavily indebted. It is feared that governments would be forced to deflect the attention from these pressing problems through creating problems that may help deflect the attention for a while. "The massive amounts of government bonds printed to pay for the global bank bailouts were purchased by global investors (capitalists). For these vultures, government bonds are an excellent investment when the economy crashes, and gambling on stocks turns sour. Now, these investors want to be sure that the heavily indebted governments are able to pay up. And they’re becoming impatient. " http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24271.htm [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102909544734&s=11694&e=00184a35kTgz9O5lHej8tyU8UeFq807bsKVdnxWti7gaWc-NeFDL29zVp0O2j8cIIQxoDrRiJkInVL_8kb1gqVWTxqSZNbloYRbMHsnmySXgnceiL10o1ONRVVUyz6bLioL1UrYx4DIyNaFCZL7uHHGzsszwh7zypyn

Paul Krugman in his article 'The Big Zero' analyzing the development in policy making and achievements of US concludes 'So let’s bid a not at all fond farewell to the Big Zero — the decade in which we achieved nothing and learned nothing. Will the next decade be better? http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/28-0

Dean Baker in his article ' Christmas Presents for Bankers' questions the actions of US treasury 'The folks running Fannie and Freddie prior to their collapse pocketed tens of millions of dollars in compensation. The Treasury now tells us that their incompetence could end up costing taxpayers more than $400bn.' He calls for taking lessons from the recession:

'If nothing else, the great recession should teach us that paying executives lots of money obviously does not ensure that we will get competent people in charge. But, this is not a story about doing what is best for the economy and the country. This is a story about doing what's best for the financial industry. That was the name of game in Washington DC before the collapse and that is still the name of the game – until people get pissed off enough to do something about it.' Full article can be read at
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/28-8

Emily Spence calls for halting the wars in her article 'Ever Expanding Wars: An Appalling New Year Certainty'http://www.countercurrents.org/spence281209.htm
that may ensue if Russian or Chinese leaders, finally, reach a limit to the threats that can be endured from western imperial hubris. But these wars must be prevented and the collapse managed wth the best efforts and invoking the collective desire to stay ecologically safe and invoking the guidance of Almighty for more and more policy decisions for preventing any such war.

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